http://microengineeringlabs.com/products/usbprog.htm It's a bit more than I care to spend, though it will handle the variety of PICs I might be playing with and do ICP and out of circuit. What are the opinions of this one? Beevo Tempe, AZ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist