> I'm curious as to how ca.us is seen by the rest of the world. I'll bite. I have at least three views of California- I've only been once, and then I was in the LA basin for a few days and in SFC for about 10 hours. So, San Francisco- relaxed and groovy. The spirit of Haight- Ashbury lives, just not at Haight-Ashbury (I was stunned to find a Gap at that auspicious intersection.). A town and a people in touch with a sense of aesthitics, art, design, beauty, and a true sense of pride in who they are and where they live. I have NO trouble seeing why the city has such a reputation as a haven for GLBT pride- I felt like San Francisco is a city that has NO problem holding its collective head up and looking anyone in the eye. SoCal- in fairness this is based on my trip to LA only, but I'm going to go ahead and lump it all together. Feel free to shake a finger at me and correct me. I imagine three kinds of people in SoCal- Jameses, genuinely concerned people with a real notion of self-responsibility, conservation and freedom of self-determination; Soccer Moms, who don't care who pays the real cost of their minivan full of kids, their McMansion which must be cooled to below 70 degrees F in the hottest part of summer, and shopping at big-box retailers for cheap, toxic crap from China; Plastic People who really care more about their appearance than anything (this is probably what I imagine LA proper to be stuffed with- think hot girls with too much plastic surgery wearing skimpy clothes trying to become actresses). Third is inlanders in place like Napa- pretentious snobs who want to believe that their little slice of Earth is as classic and great as French wine country because it grows nice grapes. Sort of the "new" Nouveau Riche. Anyone who read all of this may want to judge me for my stereotypical views, but I'm from Minnesota, and I have a pretty good idea what everyone else thinks of Minnesotans (doncha know?)! Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist