Hi-tech has done a great job on PICC and PICC18, I used both for a long time. The code efficiency is close to assembly language, very good tech support also, they are in Australia, one time they even called me (in the USA) to help the license installation issue. The reason our company chose Hi-tech is because the FAE from Microchip strongly recommended it to us. As for the dsPIC C compiler, people have different favor, even inside our small design team. I personally like the Microchip one. Funny ----- Original Message ---- From: Morgan Olsson To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:56:17 AM Subject: Re: [PIC] PIC18 C compiler comparison Den 2007-10-16 18:58:24 skrev Matt Pobursky : > Just out of curiosity, how do you debug your applications? (Last I checked > HiTech PICC didn't have an integrated IDE debugger. I am just lurking, and just recieved replys from Hi-Tech Their IDE, Hi-Tide nowadays support ICD2 and a lot of PIC16 and PIC18 chips. (not the one i use, yet...) It do not support USB, only serial connection so far. But the December release is planned to support Real-ICE What also is interesting is that their tools work under Linux so I can have all i need on one system. > user but debugging was painful under MPLAB. It is painful under MPLAB with C18 too... Or we just do not get it... We need tolook at variables but cannot reach them as it is stack based... Any ideas? Also any idea to make MPLAB and/or MSWinXP not crash a number of times per day, mainly when shifting USB devices? I asked Hi-Tech if i could set a breakpoint, point at any variable and see its value, and they said yes. In that case PICC18PRO + Hi-Tide + ICD2 is better than C18 + MPLAB + Real-ICE. But maybe they thought i said register, not variable? Anyone knows if we using Hi-Tide can see the valye of any variable of any type at a breakpoint? -- Morgan Olsson -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist