Try the 4004. .. I see 1 watt 5.1v zener diodes for $0.18 in singles at Digikey . Use high efficiency LEDs and your PIC(+ resistor). Why wouldn't that work? If you're going high quantity which you imply by saying cost is a major factor, you can get a 7805 for $0.23 in 2500 quantity. -- Martin K On 10/15/07, Peter Feucht wrote: > Hi, > > I have a very small project on my desk: A tone generator which should > produce a simple meldody, has to check a key press and light 2 LEDs. No deal > at all BUT cost is a major factor. When checking the prices I found, that > the voltage regulator's price is in about the same region as the PIC itself, > which lead me to the question: Are there any micro controllers which can be > operated directly at an unregulated 12V supply? > > Thanks for enlighten me and best regards > > Peter -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist