Vitaliy wrote:

> Growing oranges in Minnesota is a very expensive proposition, any way you
> look at it (money-, labor-, or energy-wise).

So is shipping them there. One thing about "sustainability" is to eat local
food. If oranges and bananas are important to you, maybe you consider
living somewhere else :)

> A bit OT: a lot people don't realize that moving large quantities of
> stuff by ship is dirt cheap, in terms of both money and energy. Many
> many times cheaper than shipping by truck or rail (even though those
> aren't expensive, either). 

Good luck shipping oranges from Florida to Idaho by ship :)

Seriously, only a small fraction of inhabited land is reasonably accessible
by ship. And whether "expensive" or not doesn't generally include the real
cost (which is what sustainability discussions are about).

Gerhard

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