>A bit OT: a lot people don't realize that moving large quantities >of stuff by ship is dirt cheap, in terms of both money and energy. Yes, I keep attempting to remind people that it should be 'food-ton-miles' not 'food miles' >Many many times cheaper than shipping by truck or rail (even though >those aren't expensive, either). It makes perfect sense to grow >oranges in places where the climate is favorable, and ship them >to areas where it isn't. Err, yes but ... An example I give against this is apricots grown in Spain, and shipped to the UK. They arrive an insipid pale colour, and as afar as I can determine it is because the apricot trees do not go through a suitable deep winter chill in Spain, to produce the best fruit. Instead of nice deep apricot coloured juicy fruit we have to put up with less juicy and less appetising looking fruit - although we seem to be able to get them all year round, almost. An example that gets given for sending things long distance is flowers grown in Kenya, and airfreighted to the UK. The total carbon cost is less than similar flowers grown in the Netherlands and sent to the UK - because the Netherlands requires heated glasshouses to grow the flowers, while Kenya doesn't. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist