James Salisbury wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for some PCB layout software for very simple pic boards, that I 
> could be used to output to PCB Train and similar outfits.

If you are cool with being locked into a specific PCB vendor, there are 
several which provide free PCB layout...  I've used ExpressPCB in the 
past and were very happy when my quantities were lower.

I'm now using a program called DipTrace ( http://www.diptrace.com/ ). 
You didn't mention the size of your design, but diptrace does have a 250 
pin freeware version which can be used for noncommercial purposes (or 
you can upgrade to a noncommercial use 4 layers, 1000 pin version for 
$125).  Commercial users have several options from $75 for 250 pins 2 
layers to $695 for unlimited pins and layers.    Note that this includes 
Schematic, Layout, and a fairly good Autorouter (as far as ANY 
autorouter can be called good).  It also integrates with the Electra 
autorouter if you really really want to use a high end autorouter for 
some semi-insane reason.

I can't speak highly enough about both Diptrace and also their support. 
   I've had a couple of issues which were fairly minor - a wierdly 
shaped component didn't output to gerber right and something else I 
can't remember.  Both were fixed with a updated copy of the program in 
something like 24 hours.  The program itself works as described and is 
one of the easiest PCB layout programs I've used.

-forrest
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