> Click on the rotate button first - should do (I'm using 4.16r1). That seems to change the rotate increment from 90 degrees to 180 degrees - but the effect is still the same: rotating 180 degrees makes the text direction rotate around the anchor, but it stays upside-up. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist