You are trying to dissipate 700ma x 3.60v = 2.5W (not accounting for the energy that is actually being converted into light). Assumptions: (1) you have a perfect thermal connection between the LED and the aluminum (which it looks like its pretty good based on the fact the Al gets hot) (2) the Al is a perfect conductor of heat (close enough in a steady state condition after 30minutes or so) (3) that you are actually using a K2 Luxeon Star package (4) the entire surface of the Al, other than what is covered by the Star is exposed to "still air" and is effectively helping to "heatsink" the K2. We'll look at this two ways. First we'll do a seat-of-the-pants thing, then we'll be a little bit more analytical. But first a little side discussion. A little "thought experiment": The Star package, at 20.2mm wide covers 811 sq mm. The total surface area of your Al is: 1.5" x 1.5" x 2 faces = 2.25 sq " + 1.5" x 0.25" x 4 faces = 1.5 sq" For a total of 3.75 sq " or 2419 sq mm Deducting the area covered by the Star you have 1608 sq mm or 16 sq cm to dissipate the heat. This comes to 2.5W / 16 sq cm = 0.16 W/sq cm Now at first guess, that doesn't seem very high. But look at is this way: Think of how big a 0.5W thru hole carbon resistor is. I would guess it's about 1.2cm long by about -0.4cm in diameter. This gives a surface area of 1.2cm x 0.4cm x pi = 1.5 sq cm (ignoring the ends). This corresponds to a dissipation of 0.5W/1.5 sq cm = 0.30 W/sq cm, which is twice what you are seeing. From this, you might think that your numbers aren't too bad, but here are the catches... (1) 1/2W resistor *really* doesn't want to dissipate a full 1/2W (2) A *major* part of the resistor's dissipation is typically through the leads to the foil of the PCB to which it is soldered. (3) The resistor is a small object and is typically not placed directly adjacent to similar resistors. (4) The design temperature rise of the resistor (even accounting for (1) above) is probably a lot higher than your 25 degrees C. CONCLUSION: So, what does that come to: it doesn't surprise me that it gets hot! To be a little more rigorous we can use the formula: The heat, Q, removed from a surface is simply equal to: Q =A x h x deltaT(surface to ambient) Where A is area "h" is a 'magic' coefficient depending on deltaT and airflow rate Q is the heat (your 2.5EW) deltaT is the difference in temperature between the surface and ambient We can reverse that to get: deltaT = Q / ( A x h ) Unfortunately this isn't quite that simple because "h" isn't really very constant, especially for still-air conditions. You actually have to already know a deltaT to determine the corresponding "h"!! But, since you already reported a deltaT of about 25 degrees C (50 degrees - 25 degrees ambient), we get an "h" of approximately: 12 W/sq m K K is degrees kelvin (the same size as a degree C) So.... deltaT = 2.5W / ( 16 sq cm x 12 W/sq m K ) since 16 sq cm = 0.0016 sq m, we get deltaT = 2.5W / (0.0016 sq m x 12W/sq m K) cancelling some units: deltaT = 2.5 / (0.0016 x 12/K ) evaluating we get: deltaT = 130 K Now the fact that you don't actually see a rise of 130 degrees is probably related to several factors: (1) you are not really in still air (probably the biggest part). even at an air velocity of only 1 m/s (about 2 miles per hour) "h" is about 31 W/sq m k, so your computed deltaT would be 12/31 or 130 K or about 49 K. Higher velocities result in diminishing returns: 2.5 m/s (5 miles per hour) gives an "h" of 43 W/sq m k, only 38% for a velocity 250% higher. (2) I misestimated the value of "h" from a graph at http://www.electronics-cooling.com/articles/1998/jan/calcorn.php (pretty likely) (3) we didn't take into account the power emitted as light (see "Note" below) (4) the phase of the moon (5) the number of dead fish waved in Australia (or is that New Zealand) (6) my maths are seriously compromised somewhere in here (I did only get 3 hours sleep last night) Note: Power emitted as light: Being too lazy to convert the lumen values of the various white K2's to mW, I used the values for Royal Blue K2's which are already specified in mW (I think they are used in dental curing lights). The LXK2-PR12-M00 outputs 480mW at 700ma current. If the white devices are similar, that would account for about 20% of your total power dissipation. Momentarily and partially curing my laziness, I see that Wikipedia tells me that 1 lumen-meter = 0.0015W (at least at the wavelength to which we are most sensitive). So, taking the typical lumen-meter value of about 75 for a white K2 at 700ma we get only 112mW, not nearly as efficient as the Royal Blue at converting electricity to light. [This last has to be taken with a grain of salt because you really cannot directly convert lumen-meters to watts. This is because the conversion factor is dependent on the wavelength (color) of the light!! Hope this helps------ ---- Bob Ammerman RAm Systems -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist