I think I would again mention the xenon flash lamp example. There is NO need to ballast the flash lamp IF you have considered the watt/seconds you will be dissipating in the lamp. With enough capacitance/voltage, you can affect the life of the lamp. How many have seen appliances with flickering or dead neon lamps? Yes, they have a limited lifetime, even when run at the recommended current. * | __O Thomas C. Sefranek WA1RHP@ARRL.NET |_-\<,_ Amateur Radio Operator: WA1RHP (*)/ (*) Bicycle mobile on 145.41MHz PL74.4 ARRL Instructor, Technical Specialist, VE Contact. http://hamradio.cmcorp.com/inventory/Inventory.html http://www.harvardrepeater.org -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of David VanHorn Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:45 AM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [EE] Neon lamps On 9/27/07, Peter P. wrote: > David VanHorn gmail.com> writes: > > Neons die if they run directly off a cap. Replace them and put a reasonable > resistor in series with each to limit the current. I'd try 1K 1W for about 100mA > inrush assuming Vign=140V and Vburn=70V. I've NEVER seen the circuit done with a second resistor like that. > This is more than 50 times their > operating current afaik but it might keep them alive longer. In general you > should never connect something with negative resistance directly to a voltage > source (like a charged cap). That's the whole point of a relaxation oscillator, isn't it? I've done it with tunnel diodes, UJTs, and neons before. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist