> For the cups, you toddled off to your local cheap junk store, and > purchased a few shiny new soup ladles Trying to impress on my nephew that $2 shops and the like are great sources of hardware that normally you couldn't get OTS. Keypads, transformers, switches, components etc. All neatly packaged as a piece of electronic crap that wouldn't last 5 minutes as the product it was represented as -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist