On 9/7/07, Richard Prosser wrote: > Why do these (supposively) lean outward on cornering while motorcycles > (etc.) lean inward? Bikes lean because the rider makes them lean through a combination of shifting their body weight and counter-steering. The bike turns because it's leaning - it doesn't lean because it's turning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_and_motorcycle_dynamics A bike with outrigger wheels can't lean so with the acceleration force acting from the CG of the vehicle it tends to try to lean outwards. In a normal bike the lean makes the force vector align with the vertical axis of the bike and the force meets the road directly through the tyres - which it has to or the bike would fall over. Stopping a bike from leaning by adding outrigger wheel basically turns it into a car with "trolley physics" rather than a bike with "leaning physics". Incidentally bikes with sidecars have this same issue. For this reason they're considered very strange to ride by most riders. The physics is totally different from a normal bike. Cheers, Zik -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist