Quoting Herbert Graf : > On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 09:10 -0700, piclist@mmendes.com wrote: >> > I wonder if I can leave the US showing a US passport (Not that I have >> > one yet) and enter NZ with an NZ one. Then Leave NZ with an NZ >> > passport, and enter the US with the US passport. >> >> This is basically what I have to do. >> >> Unless the person I spoke with at the Brazilian consulate office in >> Boston did >> not know what they were talking about. The short story was, if your foreign >> passport (non-Brazilian) shows that your place of birth was Brazil, then you >> will not be granted a visa to go to Brazil on that passport and the >> only way to >> go to Brazil is with a valid Brazilian passport. > > Personally, I don't see the big deal. You leave the US showing your US > passport, you enter Brazil showing your Brazilian passport. You leave > Brazil showing your Brazilian passport, and you reenter the states with > your US passport. Seems simple enough to me. Am I missing something? The big deal is the burocracy one must go through. For a US passport, you take pictures, go to the post office, fill out the app and turn it in with your drivers license so they can see that it is really you, send it in and wait for the passport to arrive in the mail. For a Brazilian passport, I have to take the day off to go to Boston. Stand in line to get a number to stand in another line, this takes at least 3 hours. Then you go home. In a week or so, you need to take another day off, stand in line, to get a number to stand in another line to pick it up. Now here's the kicker, if you happen to have left Brazil before you were 18 and never signed up for their "draft" in order to get your passport renewed, you have to take the day off, go to Boston, stand in line to get a number to stand in another line, to pay a fine for not having signed up for the draft, get back in another line to fill out paper work and come back another day to make sure that paper work has arrived from Brazil, only then can you stand in line to get a number to stand in another line to get the paper work to renew your passport. The other kicker, if you happen to be lucky enough to have left Brazil before you were 18, not have signed up for the draft and ended up not remembering to renew your passport before it expired, then that's another day off to stand in a line to get a number to stand in another line..... All in all, up to 4 days off just to get a stupid passport that I only need to use in order to go visit family. Every time I go there, the stupid paperwork for the draft fine thing can't be found in their office, so they have to request duplicate copies from Brazil! And that costs more money. Then pay the fine, pay for the passport, etc. The other great thing is that, even though they do recognize the fact that I am Brazilian from my American passport, they won't accept my American passport as a valid id picture id, and neither will they take any other non Brazilian picture id as proof of who I am. So now I have to carry around a birth certificate to the consul, request paperwork from Brazil that they can double check it's authenticity (obviously this costs money too), then do the paperwork for the draft fine, so that I can then have two pieces of Brazilian id, none of them with a picture, so that I can then get a passport. Every time you go there, there are fees. It is complete and utter horse manure. As it is typical of any other Brazilian government agency, competent only at charging you fees. -Mario ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist