Has anyone tried the SoftLog ICP2 (not ICD2) sold by microchipdirect? It's billed as a standalone production programmer. At $399 compared to $895 for the PM3 it seems like a bargain. ------------- Part Number: TPG100001 - SoftLog ICP2 Production Quality ICSP Programmer by Softlog Systems The ICP2 Production Quality In-Circuit (ICSP) Programmer is a cost-effective programmer that operates with a PC or as a standalone unit, and programs Microchip(R) 8-bit PIC(R) MCUs and serial EEPROMs. It features fast programming, 250mA Vdd drive current, programmable Vdd (2.0 to 5.5V) and Vpp (2.0 to 13.5V), programmable delay between Vdd and Vpp (0.1 to 250ms), programmable clock/data speed (500KHz to 2.5MHz) and on-board 1MByte flash memory. ICP2 is fully integrated into MPLAB(R) via plug-in. https://www.microchipdirect.com/ProductDetails.aspx?Catalog=BuyMicrochip&Category=Programmers&mid=13 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist