I'm looking for a standalone, pushbutton programmer for the 16HV610, or perhaps something that's well on the way. The product is a dense mains powered board and pretty much any production fault could potentially put mains onto the programmer, so I'd rather sacrifice a few programmers than have an external PC and sacrifice a few operators. There are a few options that go some of the way like Olin's USBProg or ICD2, but I'd still have to add on a board to send commands, data, etc. In which case, it's a similar effort to build a programmer. Steve. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist