It's been many years (been married to same female for 39 years, and this was while I was still single). Leaving a bar (pub) walking her to her car, probably a 1966 Chevrolet, she was carrying a package, and I volunteered jokingly to open the trunk (boot) using my 1966 Buick key. To our amazement, the key worked. :) For Keeloq case, I would think if a police report was filed, then the consequences of filing a false police report would prevail and the insurance would pay up. Was a police report filed?? Gerhard Fiedler wrote: > Howard Winter wrote: > > >>>> The thing that strikes me about that article: If Insurance companies >>>> are claiming that a car with a transponder-key cannot be stolen, >>>> howcome the premium includes an amount for the risk of theft? Surely >>>> if it can't be stolen, and they are going to deny any claim that it >>>> has been, they are taking money under false pretences, since the risk >>>> is zero? >>>> >>> It might stop the car be driven away (in reality it won't), but it >>> doesn't stop the car being stolen by towing it or hoisting it on to a >>> flat bed truck. >>> >> In that case why wasn't that possibility considered by the insurers? >> Why jump straight to "It can't have been stolen"? >> > > Because in that case, IIRC the expert concluded that the car has been > driven. From which (with the wrong, but still, assumption that without the > right keys it can't be driven, together with the insured's affirmation that > he still had all keys) they concluded that the story of the insured was > wrong. From which they concluded that they don't have to pay (probably > according to the insurance contract). > > Gerhard > > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist