Where I work (in the Australian branch of a major Japanese electronics corporation) PICs are seen as good serious devices. Even PICAXEs are popular in some applications. I've never heard anyone say or imply that they were hobby devices. Cheers, Zik -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist