> in which business are you in that you use a different controller > everyday - and even finish a project everyday ? When several projects are in development it's more than likely that each uses a different PIC. I'm working on a project now that uses a 12F675, an 18F4550 and a bunch of 18F1320s. I'm sure if I tried I could work some 10Fs in there as well > And normally, the pics are not damaged. Buy a programmer suitable > for this special controller and the problem is gone ICD2 *IS* suitable for the 628A -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist