> Are the chips really code protected (and wasted) Dry those tears. A bulk erase will get them back to useable Your problem at the moment is the programmer, not the chips, which are probably fine Can't help with the ICD2 BTW, sorry -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist