NB: I love the southwest US desert, so long post follows. >>> [Grand Canyon, starting from Las Vegas] Most comments imply the Grand Canyon south rim. There's more... [I am going to ignore the north rim area in the following.] > hiring a car If you have a car and time, you can see several spectacular places. Starting in Las Vegas, take Interstate 515/highway 95/highway 93 east & then southeast out of town. You want highway 93 going to & through Boulder City (built for workers who were constructing the dam). There's a nice 1950's style cafe in town and a museum on the building of Hoover Dam. Continue through Boulder City on hwy 93 to Hoover Dam. Spend time visiting Hoover Dam & take the tour. This gets you a good view of the Colorado River Canyon (technically not the Grand Canyon since it's past the official west end) filled with water (i.e. Lake Mead) and with just the river (i.e. dam outflow). Continue southeast on highway 93 into Arizona. Turn northeast at highway 25 (Pierce Rerry Road), go through Dolan Springs, more on highway 25, then take Diamond Bar Road (was dirt when I was last there a few years ago) onto the Hualapai Indian Reservation (road on reservation is paved). Finding the turnoff to this road to Grand Canyon West is not the easiest task -- maybe it's better marked now. Hualapai Indians have a rim overlook at Grand Canyon West with a glass bottomed Skywalk (haven't been on it). There charge a not-insignificant entrance fee. But when we were there, it was nearly deserted -- wonderfull emptiness & grandeur. One downside is you essentially have to retrace your path back out on Diamond Bar Road and highway 25 to highway 93. Continue southeast on highway 93 to Kingman. Stay on highway 93 and cross Interstate 40; highway 93 turns into highway 40 and is named Beale Road. About 1/2 mile east of Interstate 40, branch southeast on either Ella's Place or turn south on 1st Street. Go 50 meters to Andy Devine Avenue (old US Route 66). In the old powerhouse (between Andy Devine and railroad tracks) is the Historic Route 66 Museum. It's next to Locamotive Park [city park with locamotives in it]. After the museum, you can choose to get on Interstate 40. It's fast but you can't see much. I recommend route 66 (Andy Devine) northeast out of Kingman through lots of little towns with interesting places. One of the several books on Route 66 (sold at museum) will give you background on the various places you'll be passing through. Route 66 is north of, and roughly parallel to, Interstate 40. Area can get some very interesting thunderstorms in summer due to air mass being heated and rapidly lifting. In Peach Springs is the Hualapai Indian tribal headquarters. About 12 miles past Peach Springs is Grand Canyon Caverns & Inn (www.gccaverns.com). There's a motel. Important element is the Grand Canyon Caverns -- a series of natural underground cavens 210 feet down. A natural vent goes many miles from the caverns to the south face of the Grand Canyon (thus the name). 2007 is the 80th anniversary of the discovery of the caverns. I really like the caverns. After Grand Canyon Caverns, continue east on Route 66. At Seligman, you can join Interstate 40. Or you can continue on Route 66 until it merges with Interstate 40 at Crookton. Continue east on Interstate 40 to Willaims. There's the train from Williams to the Grand Canyon (as previously mentioned). You can also take highway 64 north to the Grand Canyon. Near the rim, highway 64 turns into East Rim Drive. You can take it along the south rim (major tourist area) to highway 89 which you can take south to Flagstaff and Interstate 40. Continue east on Interstate 40 about 30 miles east of Flagstaff to Meteor Crater. I completely endorse the comments that it is worth seeing and walking around the edge. After Meteor Crater, you pass through Winslow AZ (memorialized in a hit song many years ago) and Holbrook. After Holbrook is Petrified Forest National Park -- another place worth visiting. We've now reached the New Mexico border, so I'll desist. :-) Lee Jones -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist