Actually I don't know how it would be seen If I was to suggest to sidetrack this thread a bit (OK hijack it ;) Like to the subject line 'defining the perfect EDA CAD of the future' And I wonder how many of you know _parametric modeling_ in the mechanical CAD world? So I've been thinking EDA isn't showing enough tendencies for parametric modeling, or is it? To get ones mind around it, lets say in a parametric environment the memory area could be modified in depth and width by 2 parameters which would results in all the component and netlist changes that the program could figure out by itself... Sounds easy no? OK also functional blocks should be possible to be defined, duplicated and wired based on parameters... Component specifications (parametric values) could be automated by Formulas and looked up from lists of available components In _parametric modeling_ keyword is the capture of the design intention, and the elimination of repetitive operations. Is there any EDA tool that shows tendencies toward this direction? --- Bob Axtell wrote: > A while ago, folks were talking about less expensive > PCB layout programs. > Anybody remember the links? I need: up to 8 layers, > 13" x 13" max, and > it must > generate RS274X. Does NOT have to have or autoroute. Sounds like KiCad would do the job - for free: http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/ Cheerful regards, -- Tobias Gogolin cel. (646) 124 32 82 skype: moontogo messenger: usertogo@hotmail.com You develop an open source motor controller at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoBox -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist