I want to say THANKS!! to everyone that put their two cents in on this. So far DIPTRACE and AUTOTRAX both look good. DIPTRACE is especially easy to think out , for a new user. I even like schematic capture, so far... We downloaded CircuitCAD(sp?) as well, so we are looking at 3. Thanks again, folks. --Bob -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist