> Or...for another fun experiance....take the train from Williams to > the south rim. I don't know what time and $ are available. But, if you can manage the cost, and it may not be vastly expensive, then hiring a car for a day (or two) will give you vastly more flexibility. If there are several people travelling then the car cost per person decreases as you fit more in. If you have the time and the wish to do so ask further and I can tell you a location near Flagstaff where you can camp overnight at no charge. No facilities but very pretty and an accepted camping area. We were directed to it by the most helpful staff of the Flagstaff IHOP. Chances are you are not equipped for that. So - IF you have a car and 2 days available (or one day and are prepared to do a fair bit of travelling in one day) then consider also seeing Meteor Crater. From memory it is about 1 hours drive beyond Grand Canyon. If you don't know Meteor Crater then Wikipedia is sure to oblige. Utterly fantastic and you are unlikely to see anything like it elsewhere. Grand Canyon is utterly stunning, and there is much there that you can see - far more than a day would allow, BUT even an hour or so in a single area on foot will give you a lifelong memory of having been there and of an amazing phenomenon. As an indication of the size, there are signs warning visitors not to try and walk to the river and back in a single day. I can provide a substantial number of photos of Meteor Crater and of some parts of the Grand Canyon if of interest. If you manage a car and a 2 day trip you can travel a bit of Route 66 just so you can say you have done it. Seligman and Kingman are somewhere along that way but I'd have to check a map to see if they are line of flight when coming to and from Vegas. If travelling by car going via Sedona (slightly longer) is visually very rewarding. Sedona is where people from Phoenix flee to to escape the summer heat if they can afford to :-). The visual attraction is the fantastic landscape. I can provide photos but I'm sure Wikipedia and others do an adequate job. Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist