_______________________________________ Roy Hopkins ZL2RJH Tauranga New Zealand _______________________________________ Recommend DipTrace http://www.diptrace.com/ I have the free version at this time limit of 250 connections and no gerber file generation. $74 US get the gerber file output. Another $74 US gets you the 500 connection limit etc. Also found it better than Eagle, easier to create your own library parts, good built in autoruter, even has the ability to autorute single sided pcb with wire jumpers. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist