Tobias Gogolin wrote: > well so far I don't like the answers I got > I see no reasons why a well designed simple programmer shouldn't work > but of course I understand where the wind is blowing from, you guys want to > sell! Well, while I agree that many programmers available for sale will save you lots of time and in the end money too, I'm still using a basic NoPPP programmer that I developed back in 2001. Once in a while I add some devices to the available algorhitms (main App is developed in C for Windows). It just works off the RS232, and has a power supply, a regulator and some 2 transistors. I also created a quite simple USB version for use on recent notebooks which don't have a serial port. In some sense this one is much more smart, but actually the PIC is about the only difference in the schematic. So, if you have time and will to learn, I ssure suggest you build your own and share your results. But, of course, it won't be quick neither cheap! -- Ciao, Dario -- ADPM Synthesis sas - Torino -- http://www.adpm.tk -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist