> > Ok, but when the retailer KNOWS that it's bullshit, that's > different. > > Cellular antenna patches, etc. > > That's mostly what I'm so, er, revved up about. If it was > probably any other product I'd not worry about it. 99.9999% > of stuff for sale does at least *try* to live up to the > manufacturer's claims, and you aren't giving the customer > false expectations. A technique used by mail-order companies > with dodgy products is to sell at a cost which makes them > money but is not quite worth the customer sending it back. > "All that effort to get $20 back ? Nah, not worth it, I'll > just bin it and learn a lesson" > > Money-back isn't good enough. You're wasting people's time > and there will always be people who don't ask for their money back. > Which, for this product, perpetuates the myth and encourages, > and funds, the scammers. And scammers is exactly what they are It could be argued (and I believe this, but won't spend the time arguing it) that the people whose time and money are wasted, DEARLY NEEDED to have their time and money wasted. The logic is: Who has the money runs the show, a fool and his money are soon parted, leave fools with their money and you end up with fools running the show. A population of sheeple must begat a government of wolves. The gene pool needs some chlorine. What doesn't kill me, makes me stronger. Corporations will, by definition, sell crap as long as the consumers make doing so profitable. That isn't nice. It isn't "good" and it isn't "right" It is, however, REAL. Can you imagine having a government agency big enough, with enough funds, with enough power, with enough accuracy and competence to prevent every idiot out there from making a purchase that wasn't in his true best interests? Better to train the sheeple to defend themselves. For once we try to protect them from con artists, who will protect them from us? The nice lady over in NZ or AU who was convinced the Nigerian bank would get her money back from the 419'rs... If she only paid a small fee for the investigation... How can you both protect her and keep her out of the nut house? I welcome the opportunity to learn from a consummate con artist. Teach me what to look out for. Give me the experience of being ripped off so I know what it feels like before I open my wallet the next time. Let me learn not to buy a product that saves 11%. Or that has not been reviewed by my peers. Or that isn't open source. Or that doesn't come from a web page with a feedback system. Real men get scammed and learn from it, then stop getting scammed. It's the morons who screw up the world for the rest of us. Spam would stop on a dime if people never purchased spamvertized products. --- James (anyone want to buy an LED lighbulb?) Newton. P.S. This philosophy should in no way reflect on the products sold by James Newton's Massmind. They are NOT a rip off and lots of people will tell you so. I have a good reputation and that is what anyone who is buying something should be looking for. 100% positive feedback on eBay baby... Only the best. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist