> And then there's the outright frauds or the delusional, who should > have been filtered out beforehand. Jinx needs these: > Two people comment that Boeing use these vortex things on their planes and probably are patented. Ass-sueing possibly ensuing > Yeah right - > a 9v battery can protect an entire olympic pool. Maybe if you ran > around whacking the mozzies with it. They do seem to have got performance figures, and it looks like it does do something beneficial. Although you have to wonder how much energy it takes to knock electrons out of a calcium atom, and how long a battery can supply that energy, especially a small portable unit that can scrub a 400,000l pool. As well as frequency sweeping to annoy microbes. Even though they claim 1500 installations, it could be a placebo / wishful thinking effect, like those wretched fuel-saver magnets Which, by the way, is still an ongoing issue. Repco didn't respond to my points raised by their initial reply (see below) and the Commerce Commission staff are having their annual conference (what ? all of them ?) and won't be getting back to me until next week The New Inventors program seems to be taking a lot of stick for presenting products that are neither new nor inventions ************* The reply from Repco below. My points back to them, in more detail, were basically They haven't looked into the widely-documented testing and de- pantsing of these magnets and are 'experimenting' or using the public to test the damn things 'Encouraging' doesn't support the '10% Guaranteed !!' advertised They are demonstrably worthless, so why sell them in the first place ? And various legislation already protects the consumer (money back, unfit etc), this product is nothing special in that regard Magnets that aren't returned don't necessarily mean the customer was satisfied. And Repco and the supplier still have the money and so on ========== We do in fact get approached everyday with fuel saving devices as you can imagine. Most we reject as the suppliers are not prepared to back them and they are too expensive. This product we decided to give a go as it was a resonable price, easy to fit, easily transferable and offered a full money back guarantee if the customer was unhappy. We tested it internally for a period before we took it on and the results were encouraging. With all this taken into account we felt the customer had enough protection if they felt the results were not up to their expectations and if they were then it would pay for it's self reasonably quickly. The supplier is under no illusion that if our customers are unhappy with the product we will withdraw it from the market. So we will be monitoring this closely and I'm sure the future will give us a clear indication on whether the product is a scam or not. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist