> Jinx, > But the 1.7W or whatever that is "wasted" by the appliance on > standby goes into heat. So if you are using electricity for heating > the room anyway, the savings are less Haha, that's a very charitable and inventive way to look at it. Then again, my room is always the warmest because (a) PC and other bits and pieces, PSUs etc and (b) my sunshine personality. It is quite rare for me to put the heater on. Quite content with a woolly hat and another pair of socks. Used to being out in all weathers and taking my "heating" with me. I'm not someone who heats the home like the tropics and then sits around in shorts and a T (and then moans about the power bill) -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist