too bad it doesn't have simulation.....looks like we might be moving to a package that includes that...Altium.... For my consulting....i've already invested into the Eagle PRO package. I never use the autorouter so that hasn't been an issue for me. Philip Pemberton wrote: James Newton, Host wrote: > Has anyone tried Kicad? Good news / bad news? > > http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad I've been learning it as an alternative to OrCAD SDT/386+ and EAGLE. So far, I like it. EAGLE excels for smallish designs, but KiCAD seems to be a more viable proposition for bigger/more complex designs. The autorouter is (from what I've heard) pretty basic, but the framework and all the basic features are there. The thing I really like about KiCAD is that it behaves similarly to SDT/386, barring the fact that it's got a nice GUI in front of it (and the option to unhide power pins!). I've got a couple of designs in the pipeline, all of which are being designed with KiCAD. I'll pass final judgement when I've had a good play. -- Phil. | (\_/) This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny piclist@philpem.me.uk | (='.'=) into your signature to help him gain http://www.philpem.me.uk/ | (")_(") world domination. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist