http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=251653 >From JasonK's post: "The ICD 2 LE is an ICD 2 in a PICkit 2 package. It looks like a blue PICkit 2 (no silk screen of Steve) but it functions like a standard ICD 2. In other words, MPLAB IDE does not distinguish between an ICD 2 and an ICD 2 LE. Important differences between an ICD 2 LE and a full ICD 2: + LE is USB only, No RS-232 serial connection + LE cannot power the target board. + LE uses a PICkit 2 style connector rather than the RJ-11. + No SAR support for the LE. (No replacements.) For now, you won't be able to buy an ICD 2 LE. You can get one only through these seminars." Seems nice to have. However I have attended the 16bit seminar before. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist