>> Now what about that magnetic woolen underlay also advertised >> on TV...? > aaaaargh !!!!! That item particularly and that sort of thing in general annoy me greatly. They play on the suffering of people to sell an utterly shonky profit at exorbitant * prices. The placebo effect, random distribution and happenstance, and an N day money back man that they can claim thousands of satisfied customers and thereby continue to sell their ripoff extortionate ripoff products to thousands more. In the case of the "biomag" "magnetic fleece underlay" - a fleece mattress cover with magnets imbedded, the fleece part probably does some good for some people and makes the magnet effect or lack thereof hard to ascertain or demonstrate. It would not be at all hard to do double blind controlled trials if they were really interested in doing so - but that would most certainly kill the goose that is laying their golden eggs for them. Maybe there's a market niche for an oxygen free copper magnetic wool precious metal cones turbulizer? A real fleece product! That is, fwiw, by no means the biggest con going in NZ at present. By far the biggest ripoff that I am aware of is "retirement villages". So well done that the vast majority of people are not aware that these are legalised licences to ripoff people on a scale that is almost impossible to match anywhere else. Compared to this the occasional petty conman who charges an old person $5000, or even $15000 to paint their fence is in a completely different (and minor) league. I suspect that even Jinx will not initially make sense of this assertion. Russell * Not that there is a price that isn't exorbitant for such products. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist