Vitaliy maksimov.org> writes: > > 2. Private education industry sells image more than anything else. When > > left > > unchecked it produces a mass flow of 'engineers' in sanitation, funeral > > services, roofing, and certain operating systems that shall remain > > unnamed. > > That's not true, the market responds very quicly to any change in demand. > Faced with the prospect of having to borrow $40,000 for school, people tend > to do more research than usual. And there's nothing preventing the students > from dropping out in the middle of their studies when it becomes obvious > that their employment prospects upon graduation are grim. Dropping out for the reason you gave is often not an option. The problem is that there is too much regulation where the money is (accreditation, licensing) and too little where the curriculum is determined. So you have very wildly differing schools but the ones that 'matter' tend to be ultra expensive, and the rest tend to skimp in various ways. There is also the matter of 'overseas' degrees. Since the curriculum and testing standards vs. there vary even more than in the home country, as I wrote before, someone hired based on 'high qualification' for the job cannot be compared with a local until an equivalent exam is administered. You are saying that the market reacts very quickly, and this is correct, but education is not some kind of soap brand that can go out of fashion. Probably 90% of the curriculum taught does not change one iota over 50 years or so. Yet, the 'market reaction' causes educational institutions to change the weight of certain subjects in the curriculum by huge amounts. As a result the schools produce an unbalanced output that is 2-5 years behind the curve of what is really needed (and perceived as needed) at the time of enrollment. Also there is a huge number of 'out of fashion' occupations that are under-supplied by default with this system. It's like the 5-year plan in socialism. Trying to predict what millions will do and need 5 years down the road. This has been proven to be doomed to fail. That's why general education in university is considered more valuable than on-the-job training. So eventually, there should be a type of quality control system independent of any schools or unions that tests people's skills before allowing them to practice them. Such systems exist for medical professions, structural engineers and other occupations that may be a license to kill without controls. I think that some kind of informal independent testing should be used in all cases (think driving license test). Also your example of a final year with an enrollment of one is a typical case of an image sales school (independently from what it really teaches). All the circus with the graduation would not have been necessary if the school would have been flexible and recognized the situation. (aside: I am very leery of ceremonies and pompous political mass-happenings due to personal experiences in the (communist) past of the country where I was born). Without being cynical, the graduation is in no way different from a driver's license issuing, and the certificate could be mailed if necessary. Of course traditions are important but fake traditions are kitschy imho. Personally, I would prefer a 1:1 graduation type in an office or somewhere, where each graduate gets a chance to exchange 10 words with his ex-professors if need is felt to do that. Peter P. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist