Peter P. wrote: > This is a real bomb imho, and it seems to be true. It also explains some > aspects > of job ads that require 10 years of qualification in programming languages > which > have been around for 5 years and worse. Read/watch and weep: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU I'm not sure how much of what they're talking about is true, but regardless, I am fundamentally opposed to the idea of "protecting American jobs from foreigners" -- or from other Americans, for that matter. DISCLAIMER: I do not have anything to gain from this perspective. Although I am an immigrant, I am also an American citizen. None of my family members overseas are involved in software development or engineering. My company does not employ, nor does we have any plans to, hire people from overseas (it seems to be more trouble than it's worth, at least for a small business). If companies can get people from India or China, to do the same job for less money, what is wrong with that? Before you answer this question, think about these questions: - Why should programmers get special protection? What about other people (say, textile workers)? Why don't we just close down the borders (or impose high tariffs on all products), and thus protect ALL industries? - If the company's only goal is to pay unlivable wages to its programmers, how can the foreigners survive (they too have live in the US), and what is their incentive to come in the first place? - Why not give the American educational system a kick in the pants, so it would start churning out smart, productive programmers who can successfully out-compete people from the outside? This last question is a very touchy subject for me, as my daugher will start Kindergarten next fall. The American public school system is in a horrible state, mostly thanks to the unions that "protect" teachers, making it next to impossible to fire them (and replace them with people who truly care about the kids). http://cgood.org/assets/attachments/firing_chart.pdf Math teachers cannot divide a fraction by another fraction, and teachers accused of molesting children are put on paid leave (see the end of that chart, it's cheaper to pay the salary than litigate). Vitaliy -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist