I had a friend who owned a contrack manufacturing company. He said that he used a dishwasher and it worked better than anything else. He also tod me that on his wave soldering machine the bubble fluxer never did as good a job as just spraying the boards with a cheap spray bottle with water soluble flux. I lay all my boards on a rack that is like an oven rack and spray the bottom with the bottle before I solder them. I have a cheap heat gun that I run them over to activate the flux. After soldering I just clean them with hot water from my sink. My wife probably would kick my butt if I used her diswasher, not to mention the nasty chemicals that might get on our dishes. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu]On Behalf Of Marcel Duchamp Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:54 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [EE] Dishwasher flux cleaning/DI water? Forrest Christian wrote: > Reading all of the flux effects thread made me start to re-think about > cleaning the flux residue off of the boards I make on the small assembly > line I have here. I currently use no-clean flux which is cleanable with > water if so desired. But I generally don't do any cleaning. > > I understand that a dishwasher can be a good tool for this (and is a > fairly common fixture for short production runs). > > I'm wondering if anyone has used a dishwasher for this and can tell me > the do's, don'ts and gotchas? > > Also, several sources indicate that you really want to use deionized > water for the cleaning. I can understand that the reason behind this is > that you want to avoid putting worse things (from the water) on the > board than you are taking off. With that in mind, is there a good > filter I can buy which will do a good enough job to be able to provide a > source of water for the dishwasher? > > -forrest I have not used a dishwasher like this but assembly houses I've used certainly did. They ranged from 2 ladies in a garage using a portable, roll-around unit from Sears to one that ran XP and had a network connection and made it's own DI water. Anything in your water will remain behind when the water evaporates; you must decide yourself based on your local water quality what will work here. I experienced 2 gotchas: One assembly house refused to read written instructions concerning first washing the boards and only then soldering on a backup battery. The battery, as small as it was, corroded traces and so on. The other problem came not from using a washer system but from not using it; another assembly house forgot to wash a BGA part. Later, it became terribly flaky due to the flux residue. Water soluble fluxes *absolutely* must be removed. Which brings up a question: what kind of no-clean flux do you have that also will wash off with water? The stuff we have here does not do so. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist