> spanner is always regarded as being used in a controlled > manner (until it slips off the nut and bangs your hand against > the exhaust pipe ...) Could be another one to add to "Tools and their uses" Spanner - tool to expedite the removal of knuckle skin > > wheel spanner > Wheel brace, please :-) Of course, brace. Dad's old Ford Popular had a real brace- type nut taker-off (ie made like a brace drill, like a crank) but I've not seen one of those for a long time. They've been the cross type for ages -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist