Russell McMahon paradise.net.nz> writes: > Convection ... > Aaagh aaagh aagh More to the point: adding something with leads to something with leads means adding a radiator. To actually measure the temperature of a point without cooling or heating it one sets up a gradient meter. That's like a Wheatstone bridge for heat. It works like so: insulation ====== H/C--T1--T2--Target ====== insulation H/C is a heater and/or cooler, T1 and T2 are thermometers (or thermistors) with an insulating sleeve. the '-' is a thermal link (copper rod or direct connection, i.e. thermal grease and pressure). How it works: T1 and T2 are calibrated and both outputs are applied to an error amplifier. This drives the H/C (for heating only a resistor), until T1 and T2 have the same readout. Then the heat flow in the assembly is nearly zero and T1 and T2's outputs indicate the temperature of the target with most errors deleted. To avoid oscillation of the error amplifier some thinking is required (hint: the assembly works as an integrator and there is 'phase shift' between the two differential inputs). Peter P. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist