> Those clouds are very good too: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/japus/sets/781491/show/ Flickr won't let me see that site. Apparently I have to have no account or an upgraded account to see their material. If one is, as I am, in the state of having a long standing free account with them * then I have to leave or upgrade to their latest "Yahoo ID associated" status. As I decline to do either of these by compulsion (at least until my need exceeds my pride level) I am barred from seeing any of their photos. I suppose it's one more model aimed at encouraging profit and customer allegiance and ... but I fail to see how it works, and it certainly doesn't work on me. If I could be bothered I could locate and remove my Flickr cookie and the status quo would be restored. I'm sure they don't want customers with my attitude anyway. R FOTKI & FLICKR ----------------------- * I tried Flickr when looking for a photo site but subsequently found that Fotki, despite its limitations, far far better suited my overall needs. I now have over 16 GB and 39,000 photos on Fotki. I'd recommend that any one who wants to save and display large quantities of photos on the web look at using Fotki. Cost is flat rate and small and access speed is good. Upload rate is limited to 2 GB/day I believe - I haven't found that a problem so far :-). The above suggests an average size of about 400 kB. I load photo sets of low to moderate potential interest at one of their 3 default sizes from about 640 x 480 to 1024 x 768. For photos where quality matters more I load either at full original size (typically 2-4 MB) or resize them myself to suit before uploading. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist