The PIC 16F84 has been superseded by the 16F628, 16F648, 16F88 as the preferred choice for beginner PIC projects. What do the AVR people recommend as good AVR parts to stock for hobby projects? What would you suggest as equivalents to the 12F (physical size) and 18F (memory size) parts? R -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist