Some fear that The List will die. So let's jump the next bandwagon: ARM chips. (note: I vote that we keep the name. piclist is a well-known brand.) Personally I think PICs are still interesting, especially the smaller 14-bit core chips. It is very easy to put a 6, 8 or 14 pin PIC chip into a design. One voltage, small package, choice of SMD or DIP, internal oscillator, 5V. Compared to that an ARM chip (for instance an LCP2103) is much more hassle. But even a small ARM chip runs circles around an 18F or dsPIC. So, who is using what ARM chips and what for? I use ARM chips in a series of classes. For informatics students these are the last-year LPC2106 boards with LSP, LCD, buttons, LEDs, RS232, and build-in Wiggler clone. They use C++. For electronics students we use the this-year boards with LPC2148, which adds USB and a PIC (!) as keyboard controller (deja-vue?). They use assembler and/or C. We hacked together a development environment based on PSPad, GCC and GDB/Insight. Works quite well, but a little rough on some edges. I am working on a realy great ARM library, which might be ready some time next year (do you smell vapourware?). I have not yet used ARMs for my own projects, but hope to do so when a new project arrives (and my library is ready). I sell ARM chips and Olimex ARM boards. Not in high volumes, but enough to be interesting. So what about you? Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist