Well...looks like I get to visit them. Email back says....we cleaned them out of all the gunk, and now one works all the time, one works some of the time and one doesnt work at all. Of course its nice he never asked how much my rates are.....just wants me there to fix it. --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist