well...this is one of those questions where I figured I knew the answer but.... Threw together a project last night, 18F252...oops...no internal osc, but I had some ceramic resonators so I dropped it on, just across the osc1 and osc2 pins. Hmmm....board wont run in debug....so my first thought....clock. You dont need caps across the resonators do you? I'm checking with a scope to see if I have a clock...but havent had a chance to look yet, figured I'd ask the dumb question first. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist