I just noticed that you can get most of the cool FTDI USB parts from mouser now, for reasonable prices. I remember a while ago not being able to find any retail distributors. I just happened to look at their "new suppliers" page. I just ordered 4 FT232RL (the SO package) and 4 806-KUSBX-BS1N-B Kycon type B connectors. That and a few resistors gets you TTL level serial for a total of $4.70! That's not much more than MAX3232E + DB9. -- Ben Jackson AD7GD http://www.ben.com/ -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist