peter green wrote: > Sure but if you erase and reprogram without ever leaving program mode > this is not a problem. But you can't on many PICs so this is a problem. And then there are PICs that require Vdd before Vpp but can disable the MCLR function of the Vpp pin. I don't understand why people who clearly haven't read the programming specs are arguing how they think things should work, when there are people who have read the specs and have experience with this telling you how it does work. ******************************************************************** Embed Inc, Littleton Massachusetts, http://www.embedinc.com/products (978) 742-9014. Gold level PIC consultants since 2000. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist