> But the NATURAL state of a NEW device is always to have LVP ENABLED. So 
> without the
> GND state, you can never reliably disable LVP in the first place. Not 
> theory, this is fact. I've
> programmed thousands of PIC16F88's, and half must be GND the first time 
> in order to be programmed.
What programmer are you using and what is its VPP rise time like?


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