so...they called me.....and asked when I can come look at it. me: so...are any of the sensors working? him: no me: have they been working at all? when did they last? him: hmmm...im pretty sure they didnt work after winter. me: you know, these are on an incline where mud and debris can flow into them, have they been cleaned out? him: no, I dont think so. me: why dont you clean them out and then see if anything works.... him: OK, I'll let you know. So, could be that the cavities in the cement are filled with...stuff. I hope so but at least but it buys me some time that I don't have to take a day to go and find it was that simple.... --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist