How far would those cars go if you just ran electrics motors instead of
buggering about with hydrogen?  Considering Edison (yeah, the light bulb
guy) was building electric cars way back when, I'd wager they'd do quite
well these days.

Those people making hydrogen in vehicles by cracking water are nuts.
Starting with water is the waste product from burning hydrogen (ash if you
like), it somehow has more energy than you need to crack it?  How's that
work?  What, it didn't burn properly the first time?

BTW, good job getting an 'evil oil company' story in early  :)

Tony


 


> To answer a few posts here;
> 
> Yes, Aluminium production requires vast amounts of energy and 
> is impractical for vehicle use, I understand hydro-electric 
> is the most cost-effective power source for manufacturing it. 
> Reducing fuel consumption using scrap aluminium appeals but 
> there are technical and safety issues to overcome such as 
> Sodium Hydroxide fumes damaging Aluminium engine castings and 
> how to dispose of the waste? The point is amature 
> experimenters are thinking outside the box and sharing their 
> ideas, successes and failures on-line.
> 
> Have I witnessed a working watercar? No I haven't and I'm 
> sceptical that a practical 100% water powered vehicle exists 
> yet but experimenters are achieving real fuel savings by 
> burning electrolysed gas from water to produce more complete 
> combustion in both petrol and diesel engines. 
> Techniques range from brute-force dc electrolysis to 
> three-phase resonance drives and are collectively know as 
> 'hydrogen boosting'.
> 
> An American called Paul Zigouras attended a 'future of 
> energy' type conference hosted by an oil company and asked 
> about using water as a fuel. He was laughed at by the oil man 
> but a few months later Paul managed to run his car for just a 
> few hundred yards on water using hundreds of Amps and 
> impractically large amounts of water. This worried someone 
> sufficiently to purchase the rights to his system for several 
> million dollars! Willard Elliot can run a small generator for 
> a few seconds, Peter Lowrie can run a 1600cc Toyota car 
> engine hooked up to a generator for a few minutes using 
> hundreds of amps and three electrolysis cells in series. Bob 
> Boyce used to race boats using water as the fuel, one day he 
> noticed abnormally high gas production which he traced to a 
> faulty rectifier in his alternator, this led him to 
> experiment with various waveforms to produce a resonance type effect. 
> Recent discussions in the on-line groups revolve around 
> developing water-powered generator sets to extend the range 
> of electric vehicles.
> IMHO 'Peak Oil' is a myth and the proposed 'Hydrogen Economy' 
> a con because the hydrogen will still be generated from (so 
> called) fossil fuels therefore the people who sell us oil 
> based products now will be selling us the hydrogen!
> 
> Hydrogen-on-demand from safe to carry water (if achievable) 
> is the way to go but this is mainly being explored by amature 
> experimenters and is a long way off.
> 
> As I say, a fascinating subject.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Nigel 
>                  
>   
> 
> 
> Dave King wrote:
> >  
> > Do I detect some scepticism about running a engine on 
> something that 
> > produces oh say 2 litres of hydrogen an hour??
> >
> > Lets see I have a 5 liter engine in the truck, so as long 
> as I keep it 
> > under 1 rpm ever two hours I have plenty of fuel....
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > PS the hydrolyzer we used generated about 1.5 lph.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > Ah, Keelynet, that brings back memories.  
> >
> > Those memories tend to produce the same result, being ha ha 
> ha ha ha 
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ah ah ah ha ha ha ah ahah cough 
> splutter ack 
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha breath ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 
> ha ha ha ha 
> > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
> >
> > You'd be lucky enough to produce enough hydrogen to run 
> your cigarette 
> > lighter, never mind a car.
> >
> > Tony

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