Thanks for the offer - it may be a bit hard to model well and there = are some variable variables :-) - but to give you an idea. There are two identical ducts in series with an essentially lossless = section in between. . Per duct: Duct is a very wide and shallow rectangle (a slot in cross section ) - Duct length is (only) 400mm - Duct width is 350mm. - Air flow is about 10l / second Desired pressure is such that a fan rated in the 5 to 10 Watt range = will maintain the given airflow with the smallest possible duct height = (and therefore cross section). I'd guesstimate that 5000 to 1000 Pa range would be OK. (about 1/3 to = 2/3 psi) In fact just about everything is potentially variable but that's a = typical configuration. I think that a bit of playing is going to teach = me much. An added factor to make it all more fun is that the air = temperature drops or rises by around 20C across the length of each = short duct :-). Odds are that's far too variable a set of variables to expect any = useful results but you are most welcome to comment if appropriate. My friend Ken Mardle provided this reference http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/darcy-weisbach-equation-d_646.html which looks like it will be highly useful once I take the time to come = to grips with its nuances. Russell I have a paper source (the in Germany well-known Recknagel/Sprenger "Taschenbuch f=FCr Heizung+Klimatechnik"). It contains a few empirical diagrams, so for certain defined situations, I could look up the = values. This may then enable you to extend it further, as long as only = parameters change that have a known relationship (length, for example). Gerhard -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist -- = http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist