> As you're no doubt thinking, there's quite the jump between > hovering and orbit, and in the final analysis, no chemical rocket > system is ever likely to give us Flash Gordon or Star Wars style > flight into/out of orbit. The numbers on SSTO (Single-Stage to > Orbit) vehicles are absolutely brutal. True. SSTO if you stay in orbit and don't mind a low payload is entirely doable right now and has been for decades. But, if by SSTO you mean "there and back again in one piece", and that's what the term is usually taken to mean, then it's very very very hard and the question which is much debated is 'is SSTO the best way to do it'. ie if you had an eg TSTO (two stage to orbit) system and the first stage could fly home again after use (as is being proposed by a number of people) then why use SSTO. The Jury is still out and will be for a long time. The Titan 2 missile first stage could do SSTO (one way) all by itself with modest payload. The 1958 vintage Atlas 1 could do 1.5 stages to orbit, and did, just under 50 years ago. The 0.5 stage consisted of dropping off the two external motors after use. These were not a true whole stage as they were fuelled from the rocket proper (just as the Shuttle Main Engines are fuelled from the External Tank) BUT at the stage they were dropped they constituted a major fraction of the remaining mass so helped boost the Mr greatly and thus made all the difference. The remaining central "sustainer" motor on the rocket then completed whatever task it was doing. On 18 December 1958 the US, lagging in the "space race" and needing to make a visible demonstration of capability to put really large and really heavy things into orbit, launched a Christmas message from the President in the form of an Atlas missile with onboard tape recorder. The whole Atlas missile went to orbit (less of course the drop off motors) . This then broadcast a Christmas message to all mankind. The general "peace on earth goodwill to all men" nature of the message did not and was not meant to hide another message. The name of the mission was "Signal Communication by Orbiting Relay Equipment". The name spelled out by the capital letters in that name was not, needless to say, a mistake :-). Russell -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist