Who would want to download and view a 28 MB video of a rocket hovering on the spot (more or less) for 192 seconds. I certainly did!!!. > http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2007_05_12/192secondHover.mpg John Carmack's Armadillo Aerospace's latest effort. This level of performance puts them in the very very real league. So impressively consistent it could almost get boring after a few minutes were it not for the slowly eroding concrete base its hovering over providing light relief as it slowly disintegrates and showers the support vehicle in debris. Russell _______________ We did a 192 second flight today, coming down for a nominal shutdown with propellant still remaining. We did another 90+ second flight afterwards to make sure nothing was harmed. Discovery Channel Canada was there to shoot the testing, and everything went off like clockwork. I'll get a video up tomorrow, but it isn't all that exciting with Pixel just sitting up there for over three minutes... and: This was carrying a full gold box arrangement and over a 25kg payload. We can still trim a bit more weight, and we now know that we need to slightly shrink our main injector fuel elements for simultaneous depletion, so we have quite a bit of margin. We have put over ten minutes of flight time on this engine just in the last two test sessions (over five flights), and it is still good as new. http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2007_05_12/192secondHover.mpg It does have a pretty good slosh wiggle, and it had some difficulty holding altitude halfway through at the knee of the blowdown pressure to mass ratio, but we are pretty happy with it, and confident that we can repeat it as necessary. John Carmack -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist