> > If you are using a laptop perhaps the power adapter for the laptop > > grounds the negative rail? > > Actually I've disconnected everything now, I'm testing with just the > parts in the circuit I attached and it doesn't work. (I already burned > the computers COM port, luckily I also have a usb-rs232 adapter). Oscilloscope ground clip providing the short to ground? -- Brent Brown, Electronic Design Solutions 16 English Street, St Andrews, Hamilton 3200, New Zealand Ph: +64 7 849 0069 Fax: +64 7 849 0071 Cell: 027 433 4069 eMail: brent.brown@clear.net.nz -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist